Bayonetta puts every other action game to shame
Since platinum games (previously known as Clover studious) struck a deal with Sega to make three new titles for the current generation of consoles, and I have been following them closely to know what exactly the developers behind some of the most creative titles in recent memory are up to. Kamiya, the creator of the original Devil May Cry has promised that Bayonetta will redefine the action-beat em up genre. At that time, when he made this promise, I actually believed that he can do it. That’s because of two simple reasons: All of his games are of high quality and who will be more qualified in redefining this genre other than who has started it in the first place?
From now on, when you talk about the best combat system in an action-beat em up game, you have to forget about God of War, Ninja Gaiden, Devil May Cry and every other game; that’s because Bayonetta actually has the most responsive, enjoyable, varied and frantic battle system around and I will explain why after the jump.
The flexibility of the system and how it gives the player the ability to perform attack moves in various ways is absolutely magical. You can go from light attacks to heavy ones to gun attacks seamlessly without breaking the combo. Unlike most of all action beat em up games, nearly every move in Bayonetta can be jump canceled, but Bayonetta does one better: in many cases, the jump comes out without canceling the attack. The ability to evade and attack simultaneously means that your offensive momentum doesn’t have to stop for anything.
Almost every move can be charged. Also, you can go from a light attack to charged attack easily just by holding a button, which actually adds a lot of strategy to the whole system. You will be asking yourself: Should I start the combo with heavy attacks, then finish the combo with lightning fast moves? Or should I start it with gun attacks and move on to fast moves and finish it with super charged move? The options and flexibility in Bayonetta combat feels limitless.
Bayonetta also has the richest list of moves in an action-beat em up game thus far. The list of moves go on and on. Every now and then, you will discover a new move that helps you in your battles against the game’s enemies. The game also has some very well animated finishing moves (Torture Moves) that can be triggered whenever the purple meter is filled. Another strategic element in the combat is “Witch Time”, which activates when the player makes a well-timed dodge to an attack. This temporarily slows time to allow Bayonetta to inflict massive amounts of counter damage before the enemies can react. Using enemies weapons also adds an extra layer to the combat and make the whole game more varied and dynamic.
Ninja Gaiden 2 (or Sigma 2) comes close but doesn’t has the flexibility of Bayonetta, God of War 3 (yes, I have played the demo) is a button masher when compared to Bayonetta, and Devil May Cry 4 lacks the variety of moves found in Bayonetta. Kamiya has raised the bar, redefined the genre and made every other action game feels old and repetitive. Give the demo a try, you will not be disappointed. If you still want to overlook the game, it’s your loss.
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I have played both demos, God of War 3 and Bayonetta. I will not be picking up Bayonetta, in fact after I died I didnt even want to continue so I shut it off. It feels like a crappy DMC rip off. I usually enjoy your articles, but after this I don’t want to read your opinioned articles or reviews. Also I really didn’t enjoy the demo in any way, I honestly thought it was stupid.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
the demo totally was like DMC styled why compare GOW to it
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
This aritcle is lame and fails like total shit bombs…GOW pwns Bayonetta…just trying to get hits?
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
LOL, comparing it to God of War? God of War will crush Bayonetta any day…
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Played both demos and think Bayonetta is indeed better, don’t know why everyone’s getting upset, it’s just his opinion which unlike yours is actually well constructed.
By the way, Kamiya did produce the first DMC so Bayonetta is hardly a rip off.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
God of War 3 or series = button smasher = FAIL article.
You press any button in bayonetta your gonna kill your opponent no matter whatever his size his what ever he’s doing just button smash and evade. But God of War 3 u try to button smash in front of chimera or cenutaur this stomp u in the ground. God of War 3 proves u need skill!
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
@ Joe:
I have played the demos for both of Bayonetta and GOW 3, honestly the combat in GOW 3 really hasn’t impressed me that much (QTE is getting old). I’m not saying that GOW 3 is a bad game, far from it. This preview isn’t GOW 3 vs Bayonetta, this preview explains why Bayonetta actually have the best fighting system thus far. Read the preview carefully.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
just wait till DMC5 hits !!!!!!!!!!!!!
that’s my game!
Bayonetta= “DISGUSTING”
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
played both, and GOW3 is much better in my opinion, Bayonetta is for gay people!
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
i played the demo, i will admite that the game is great BUT to compare to NINJA GAIDEN hell no, i did not play GOW so i will not speak of it.
ninja gaiden is the moooost enjoyable, fast, diffculty and combo i have ever played and the music are suber, people i cant even compare, sure NG2 was disappointed but that because tecmo has been pressing on itagaki, the game needs patche.
OMG. i forgot to tell u the enemy are the most AI i have ever seen better than MGS, L4D AND HALO. they know when to attack.
ANYONE agree with me. thank u
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
I agree with him. I’ve played the demo for GOWIII and I also imported Bayonetta, and in my opinion Bayonetta is way above any other action game. Including GOW. IF you dont pick up this game next year, you will miss one of the best games ever made.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
I think he’s right. The combat system is leagues ahead of DMC and GoW, but due to the complexity it takes a bit of getting used to. GoW can be won entirely through button-mashing, and DMC doesn’t have nearly as many combos. Bayonetta presents a challenge, and while most games are challenging because the enemies have an unfair advantage, Bayonetta is difficult because you just don’t know how to control her as well as the AI can control themselves, if that makes sense. The key to winning this game is to master the combat system, which will take a good while. It’s also worth saying that EVERYTHING she does is cool, no matter how simple to combo, it looks awesome.
Bayonetta is being “hated upon” due to it difficulty here, and the fact that no one contests that Ninja Gaiden may be better just goes to prove that the readers here have no appreciation of true difficulty, only difficulty of the artificial sort. In GoW, the only difficulty is in the button-reaction events, and the fact that the combat system is as flexible as a brick.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
I stand corrected, someone did contest it using NG. In my opinion, NG is a bit TOO hard. This is good if it’s what you like, but most people don’t. Bayonetta leads you into the difficulty, it more than likely won’t ever be EASY, but it won’t be unmercifully difficult.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
I’ve played the demo, and I don’t know how to put it. Well, the game sucks. Character design is awfull, music is terrible, gameplay is bad. I don’t understand why this game is making such a huge success.
The only people I imagine playing this are teens. It’s just another DMC.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Bayonetta is more forgiving than God Of War since it has modes that
allows newcomers to do fantastic combos with minimal effort.
I think both GOW and DMC fans will like the game.
GOW is mass appealing due to its simplistic nature and that is its draw point.
Bayonetta has a more complex and fluid combat system which is more suited
for people who like japanese hack and slash games.
Saying that Bayonetta is THE best action game is hypocritical and very opinion based.
Not everyone will agree with you.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
I’ve never heard God of War praised for it’s combat system. It’s mainly loved because of the presentation, the way the QTE’s work and the general look of it. The best thing they did was fix the camera instead of sticking gamers with a busted mobile camera.
Generally the big clash in terms of gameplay is between DMC3 and Ninja Gaiden.
DMC 4 and Ninja Gaiden 2 are usually considered inferior to thweir prior games.
Ninja Gaiden is considered to be the most ambititious but it is kind of broken allowing you to plow through the game usuing Flying Swallow.
DMC3 is considered to be hard probably the best mix ever.
God of War is considered to be simplistic and easy to play and noob friendly. It is kind of in the middle in terms of complexity of the fightign system.
BloodRayne, BR2, Gladiator, Otogi, Otogi 2, Conan, and Heavenly Sword are considered to be at the junk end of the genre. That doesn’t make them bad just less challenging to learn and play.
Then you also have several similar games that are really closer to being Dynasty Warriors Clones than Onimusha-derivatives because they alternate between throwing hordes of really weak junk opponents at you and then maybe toss you a boss every now and then. (In stead of having you fight five to eight medium opponents and alternate with platforming hazards and big, often recurring bosses..
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
You people need help. God of War is the biggest button masher ever!! No matter the enemy, or its size you cant square square triangle over and over and beat the game. I know, I experimented by doing it in part 2. Bayonetta has a stupid amount of moves to perform, I only have the demo at the moment but every time I play it I find something new. Sure GoW will win in sales, but you have to give Bayonetta its due.
Also I love the GoW series. I have played all of them and love the story and gameplay. But compared to the likes of Bayonetta or Ninja Gaiden, Kratos is a button masher…plain and simple.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
bayonetta is simply the best action game in my respected opinion in so many diffrent ways, i have played god of war, people you are getting ripped of with the same old crap , the battle system is so button mashing aswell so please don’t say stupied things like that towards bayonetta. yes you can button mash and you can pull of sweeet moves but its not that simple you make it to be, most people judgeing it by its demo. the full gme as people are saying is really hard so yh go with it or not. the dodging system is so poor on GOW, its unbelivably stupied and please don’t get me started. All i say keep hateing bayonetta and be blinded by shit games, bayonetta redefines its genre so big up kamiya. i will be judging this by the full game but asoon as the demo came out iplayed it 35-40 times in a row and am totally sold, so you manz keep h8ting bayo all the way
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Great review! I can’t wait to get this. What’s up with you saying “have” when it should be “has” though? Is that just a lot of typos or grammar issues?
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
i first got a chance to play both the bayonetta and god of war demos at the san dirego comic con last summer, and i knew right away Bayonetta was the better game. I love god of war, but its a very simple action game, and gow3 really doesnt do much different then the previous games, its just gow2 in high def really. bayonetta on the other hand is just blatantly fresh and original. its complex yet easy to play. its flashy yet easy to follow. its just the closest thing ive ever played to a perfect action game. not only that, but fuck is bayonetta hot, lmao.
its a shame your article’s comment section has been over run by stupid fanboys who attack your opinion just because you prefer a multiplat over a ps3 exclusive. i mean theres no possible way god of war couldnt be the best action game ever, amirite? fools. i mean dont get me wrong, god of war is a very fun game and i plan on buying it. i just think bayonetta is better, and any foolish fanboy who refuses to even give bayonetta an honest chance is just an idiot. they diserve to miss out on this amazing game.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
I’m not a fan of how you guys used an outlandish title to get hits. Bayonetta is not better than God of War 3, but you seem to think that downing God of War 3 is a great way to get hits. It’s a real shame that you’re that desperate.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
ok, to anyone who said GOW is a button masher
play it on the hardest mode, you will get raped in seconds if you try that
you need to be fast and smart to live
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Wow, I’m really starting not to understand, why are there so many people put there who simply seem to hate Bayonetta? It’s just a game, sure you probably have others you prefer but it’s no reason for such childish behaviour.
Though now that I think about it, the poster above does make a good point, there must be a lot of Sony fanboys around here.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
This game looks like a dud to me. Give me God of War any day. Bayonetta is an overhyped game. I still haven’t seen one thing about it that makes me even want it. It will be God of War 3 for me.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
@ Ahmad Dajan,
I see that you’re trying to say Bayonetta has a better combat system, however I am saying I Stronly disagree, and to say it puts God of War 3 to shame is a joke. First of all God of War 3 is going to be epic, end of story. I had no feeling of awsomeness while playing the Bayonetta demo, in fact it felt like every other action game(that isn’t GoW) with some random huge monster shaking things about. The combat system was on par with DMC, and the specials are just stupid. She uses her hair? Come on. The premise is ridiculous. I will buy Dante’s Inferno before I buy this, and I havent even tried it.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Can we really not accept that GoW is a button-masher? I’ve gone through the game with entirely square-square-triangle. It isn’t that difficult. The reason comments are being voted down is because these people cannot stand to see Kratos dethroned. The issue is that Kratos will NOT be dethroned, The games ( while similar ) are in different genres in my mind. Bayonetta fits into an eastern hack-n-slash, and GoW belongs to the western ones. They’re different in many ways, but not ways that are entirely obvious. I prefer the eastern ones, but many prefer the western. God of War is an easy game, and that’s just how it is. I don’t see any point in arguing this. If you WANT to incorporate the potential complexity in its battle system, you may, but there is never any need to. Bayonetta REQUIRES that you look deeper into the battle system and pay attention to what you do. The dodges aren’t as easy as they may seem, and not every battle is won with witch-time, when fighting Jeanne, you cannot use witch time at all. It’s a tense battle, and until you learn to control Bayonetta properly you will die every time! You simply cannot say the same about Kratos.
Does this make his game any less enjoyable? No! Of course not!
Does this make his game inferior? No!
It does, however, make his game less appealing to those who game because the love to game. Bayonetta is a game for the true gaming crowd, not the gamers who only game because they enjoy Halo, Gears, or CoD. Not for those who have a system because they like casual games, Bayonetta is for those of us gamers who have been at it since we were young, and enjoy real games. Argue as much as you like, but I have a feeling that you know what I’m talking about.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
@ Joe:
GOW 3 will be Epic, no doubt about it. I’m a huge fan of the series (I have played all of the three games in the series multiple times) and GOW 3 is one of my most anticipated games this generation. Also, I’m pretty sure that GOW 3 will do things like puzzle solving and platforming in a better way than Bayonetta, but when it comes to the battle system, you have to know that Bayonetta battle system is leaps and bounds over any game now. GOW 3 demo actually has given us some indications regarding the battle system, while enjoyable, it’s not up to Bayonetta’s battle system.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Bayonetta’s battle system is good, but not amazing and all these games are button mashing games ALL of them DMC, Ninja Gaiden, GOW and Bayonetta… if you stick to a good combo over and over you are likely to beat the game in any one of these
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
If you agree that GOW 3 will be epic, has an enjoyable gameplay, better platforming and puzzle solving, then why would you say it will be put to shame? Really Bayonetta is a good game, but the gameplay does not extraordinary. Bayonetta also has QTE’s so I don’t know why people say its getting old… when in Bayonetta they ask you to press triangle and circle and press square repeatedly
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
@ Boox :
When you finish any game, what will make you come back for more? The answer is the depth of the gameplay. The depth of such games comes from the battle system, that’s the reason why this game puts every other action game to shame.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
considering some of the harshest critics in the industry (EDGE Magazine) gave this 10/10 should tell you bayonetta is pure class. I’m sure GOW will be epic but its controls lack the refinement of this genre-redefining title. EDGE wont give GOW more than 8/10
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Hey
The big difference in those games is the representation. I wouldn’t nessesarily say one is inferior to the other, and such a comparison would probably do both unjustice since they were not made to be compared, but to act as good stand alone products. Further, a comparioson without having played the full titles is also not so clever. How about waiting a bit before deciding?
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
@ Ahman:
Well, maybe thats the your opinion of what the answer should be… but it’s not everyone’s answer. Will you replay or even get through Bayonetta once when it doesn’t have a very good story, horrible soundtrack, no epic moments, inferior platforming and puzzle solving and it is not as challenging? and as far as your argument of QTE’s getting old, they are also in Bayonetta if you didn’t notice. Don’t get me wrong I was hyped about the game and I might end up getting it for my 360 but to say it will put GOW, NG or DMC to shame just cause it does one thing better is ridiculous.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
guys r u for real?
just one mentiond NG, WHY?!!!!
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
if i compair the demo of gow 3 and bayonetta gow 3 wins lol its way better srry
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
This game destroys that shitty button masher GOW LOL
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Anyone that says GOW is a button masher hasn’t played it or they played it in easy mode; where any of these games are button mashers… NG,GOW,DMC and Bayonetta
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
@ Emil D:
This preview isn’t a comparison between any games. Even though, GOW 3 combat system can be judged by playing the demo. Nothing has changed. The folks at Santa Monica followed the saying “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” while so true, platinum games redefined the genre. See the difference?
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
dude compare the game with sigma 2 or devil may cry 4 …………….but not GOD OF WAR 3?
GOD OF WAR 3 IS GOING TO BE LEGEND…………………
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
i will say it NG2 is the best and entertaining as gameplay.
anyone can say different?( for the people who have play it)
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
And for the morons claiming that GOW is a button masher, play it in the highest difficulty and then tell me it’s a button masher. You need skill to play a game like GOW, just like you need skill for Bayonetta. That included DMC and NG.
Action games like this need skill.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Every game on hard mode needs skill. I appreciate you trying to prove a point, but we’re all completely aware of this.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Seriously I feel that Bayonetta shouldn’t be played on Normal+ difficulties.
There are just SO MANY moves to come up with, it’s best to play on Very Easy with 100% Handicapp.
Seriously, so much sick ass moves!
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
Fags cant seem to read, the genre has been redefinied because of how deep the combat system is in Bayonetta, when compared to GOW (mashmashmash, *button to rip enemies heads off…again*) the problem with GOW is it’s not evolving, since GOW1 the game play hasn’t evolved not even a bit. All I see for gow3 is prettier graphics.
Played the demo’s Bayonetta’s heaps better, fuckin scrubs think GOW’s hard on hardest mode? lol you sony fags need to develop some skills, as for NG2 it was a whoreable letdown, NG Black or 1 however? that’s more like it, Bayonetta> NGB> GOW3.
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Bayonetta can’t hold a candle to GOW 3.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 12:09 am
This article is 100% correct, GOW3 demo(simple/same shit) was nothing compared to Bayonetta’s demo; buy hey, to each his own.
Funny how most of the dbags who responded here know nothing of Kamiya being the original creator of DMC, which was then ripped off his hands by the @ssholes at Capcom; Bayonetta is DMC’s spiritual successor.
F*cking noobs, die in a trench.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 12:43 am
Garg is right.
I mean Ninja Gaiden’s gameplay evolved in NG2 even though it was a let down but it had some changes.
I never played any GoW, and hearing that the gameplay hasn’t evolve is stupid and shouldn’t even be guarantee a Game of the Year:/
That is why I am getting Danet’s Inferno over GoW 3.
And I freaking hate next gen games with no unlockable contents, DLC or multiplayer contents!>:@
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 12:48 am
AHMED YOU READ THIS LOL,
It was actually a nice read,
but please nigga please!!!! putting ninja gaiden in that mix is just wrong you can’t justify that. you need to take it back lol….
you reasoning says “button mashing = less game quality” you raise up Bayonetta and put down the rest because of that and other factors…let me tell you something, you have NEVER played Ninja Gaiden (not talking about the second) any previous NG game would never let you kill any enemy on any difficulty if you were hitting buttons. and if you did you were lucky and if you played the game enough you would understand why.
the AI in that game is so brutal they don’t care that you are 1 guy against 100 they have and WILL go all out on you. you mash buttons you DIE. you don’t evade you DIE, you don’t right time you DIE. and evading doesn’t take a hit of a button to do it. timing doesn’t take a hit of a button to do it, you need to calculate everything.
so it’s not just you have to know what you push to win, it’s why, when, where, and on who and how many… it’s very complicated am sorry i played the asian Bayonetta and all i can say there is alot going on, on the screen it is really hard to time anything it’s just too much so i have to mash my way through. and hope to get a break while evading, and couldn’t complete the game because it has a LOT of japanese cliches my stomach can’t take.
am sure that you never played NG. never maybe you tried it but never actually went deep, i’ll tell you what i’ll give Bayonetta another chance you give NG another chance best of all is the NG Sigma. (you can go to youtube to know that you master this game you are a ninja in real life lol)
again please not NG anything else am fine with but not that game it is the difference between hardcore gamers and casual gamers. it draws the line between games you play for fun and games you play to concur and feel that you DID an amazing work concurring it.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 12:59 am
You can praise the move list, but at the end of the day Bayonetta still came off feeling like a DMC clone with a different skin & moveset. In fact, I might have been more receptive to it if it WAS DMC game. But there definitely was nothing revolutionary in the demo. It was fun… but I’ve gone through the GOWIII demo 5 times now… and haven’t even felt the need to go back through the Bayonetta demo a 2nd time yet. It probably won’t be worth more than a rental.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 12:59 am
@Faisal:
First of all, you claim that I haven’t played Ninja Gaiden games, which is absolutely wrong. I’m a veteran Ninja Gaiden 1&2 player and I still play those games continuously. As a matter of fact, I have finished Ninja Gaiden 1&2 numerous times. Whenever people bring the arguing of which game has the best battle system, I always say Ninja Gaiden 2. Also, I have never ever mentioned in this preview that Ninja Gaiden 2 is a button masher!!!!
Read this my friend:
“Ninja Gaiden 2 (or Sigma 2) comes close but doesn’t has the flexibility of Bayonetta”
And again this comes from a big fan of Ninja Gaiden games. Oh..before I forget, Give Bayonetta another try
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 1:33 am
first of all, i’m a sony fanboy, but i have always been opened to other consoles, i don’t hate bayonetta or anything, i played the demo enjoyed it, but that’s it didn’t feel like a revolution or anything, more like dmc4, even the design looked the same, and kamiya wasn’t supposed to be involved in dmc4, i think the best dmc is the first one and i think bayonetta is just the same but with more combos, ng was a very difficult game, i could never get past mission 9 in master but compared to bayonetta i think ng is way better, there was so much hype around this game and even though i think kamiya is one of the best, this game is just average, and gow3, well i wasn’t excited about this game before the demo, but after the demo i was just… wow!, indeed i don’t think that the gameplay is that complex but it was really hard in god and titan, i’ll probably buy or at least rent this game, but imho i think gow is going to be better in general.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 2:04 am
from what I can tell from the demos both Bayonetta and God of War 3 have mostly automatic combos systems, there doesn’t seem to be any improvement from devil may cry on Bayonetta’s case or from GOW 1 and 2 on Sony’s game
both are actually quite inferior to Ninja Gaiden 2′s combat system, sigma or regular edition
Bayonetta cut scenes seem every bit as stupid as most japanese games, whose developers don’t have any idea about storytelling, GOW just increases the gore
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 2:12 am
GoW is a button masher and Bayonetta isn’t? First off, if you actually played the GoW games, you would realize that the further into the game, you definitely can’t get away with just button mashing. Secondly, I don’t think the author of this article is aware of the “Very Easy” mode on Bayonetta, in which you can play the game with literally one hand on the controller. Look up “bayonetta one handed mode” on google.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 2:14 am
Well I think Bayonetta is better then GOW, dunno GOW is getting old now its always the same and not that interesting for me and by the way bayonetta is sexy lol
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 2:37 am
I realy love how he states that gow3 is button masher on the basis of the demo and that you have to forget about gow as best combat system. You did play 15 minutes demo you dumbass !!! This is very lame article. While i dont want to say anything bad or good about bayonetta as i havent played it i am realy sick how can someone makes comparsion to game that wasnt even released. Just wait and you all shit yourselves from gow3, you wont even remember some bayonetta, no matter if it is good or not.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 2:39 am
If I were perfectly honest with you, it seems that the only people who think Bayonetta is such an “incredible, reality-changing” game are weeaboos or people who are biased towards Japanese developers and want to defend their status and games in the videogame industry.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 2:48 am
About your article and NG’s comments :
You know I am getting sick of ninja gaiden mechanics. They are awesome but if you are to spent 6hours in a chapter or a boss at master ninja difficulty this isn’t fun anymore.
In the end no matter the combos and the plethora of amazing moves you end up using 2 to 3 specific attacks, spam Ultimate Techniques and follow the same strategy for the majority of the game or else you will DIE. There’s very little space for errors or 200hitcombos when in every corner lurks death.
Now about Bayonetta combat system. All those that you describe sounds amazing, and judging from the demo they are very unique and refreshing gameplay elements but there’s must be a balance in difficulty. If you can spam all those techniques while your enemies standing like drunken fools all that magic is gone and no matter the complexity or the depth of the system it ends up like another button smasher.
Gow gameplay is very simple, NG’s is very strict and harsh. So where Bayonetta will stand? The question is, will Bayonetta use correctly that system or it will be just another button masher with slow time?
It’s too early to tell but I hope all those amazing features aren’t just for eye candy.
Because in demo there’s too much eye candy and too much laziness from enemies.
The difficulty must be right so you can enjoy the game and utilize it’s mechanics right.
In Gow you can pretty much spam all attacks doesn’t matter, the result will be the same more or less.
In NG from the hundreds of combos and dozens of weapons and gameplay elements you will use very few.
I think Bayonetta has a complex combat scheme (a refined DMC, a mix of all those games) and a new approach to action but the design of the game is not perfect so it cannot utilize it to full extent (no block and parry?). It’s just there to be.
No game so far has found the golden line between difficulty and fun or the perfect combat system. I don’t think Bayonetta will.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 2:57 am
@ Ahmad Drjainijeni:
Well, maybe thats your opinion of what the answer should be… but it’s not everyone’s answer. Will you replay or even get through Bayonetta once when it doesn’t have a very good story, horrible soundtrack, no epic moments, inferior platforming and puzzle solving and it is not as challenging? and as far as your argument of QTE’s getting old, they are also in Bayonetta if you didn’t notice. Don’t get me wrong I was hyped about the game and I might end up getting it for my 360 but to say it will put GOW, NG or DMC to shame just cause it does one thing better is ridiculous.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 3:26 am
i got my hands on the gow 3 demo thanks to the god of war collection. i also downloaded the bayonetta demo. Bayonetta is really gay im sorry. her moves are kinda cool but its just to gay. and shes some ugly mature lady with a wierd body. i didnt even finish the demo it sucked so much. its just not for me. gow 3 demo i have played through about 15 times now i fuckin love it. way better than bayonetta trust me. if you are a male and seriously like bayonetta more than gow you are probably gay and have not come out yet. its the most girly game ever and every time u fight it has the same stupid drag queen song playing in japanese. my wife even thought it was gay and asked me do guys really play that stuff? i guess so honey but those guys got their balls removed honey. oh, that makes sense, thank you honey. then we do the nasty, lol
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 3:31 am
Ninja Gaiden II pwns all!
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 3:43 am
@ Ahmad Dajani,
To be honest I didn’t know that you could call Bayonettas combat system better. In fact I think its wrong to call it better or “the best”. The way I look at it, it depends on what you like, I was button mashing while I was playing Bayonetta to be honest, however I have an awesome formula with God of War. DMC is just like Bayonetta in terms of button mashing, it felt like a clone of DMC, and I know DMC because I played them all. Same with God of War, I’ve even played Chains of Olympus, and I gotta say it’s still has the best combat system. I played the Bayonetta demo again, and beat it after my last post. I felt likeDMC with a chick, and it had a QTE when fighting that boss thing. I don’t think it innovates anything, but hey, to each his own right? BTW I don’t only own 2 games(DMC & GoW) I have a bunch of others on which I base my opinion.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 4:16 am
Everyone is so very angry!
I don’t understand why people insist that you can’t button-mash your way through GoW. I did.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 4:20 am
Love bayonetta, probably gonna buy it after playing the demo 3 times, it’s kick ass, but God of war is king, and no you can’t mash your way through god of war on the hardest difficulty, although it is funny that a lot of people play a game on easy and call it beaten… anyone like me who beat the first 2 on the hardest setting can get a laugh out of comments from easy beaters.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 4:58 am
Everyone Look At This Video! —> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P4AT_oBFZM
This is the Bayonetta Chapter IV Boss Fight with Fortitudo on Normal, its only the first part, and spoiler free [don't worry]. This battle made me drop my jaw/cohones!, It just taught me not to judge a book by its cover.
Now, if anyone isnt amazed by this fight, or at least considers its undeniable originality, then your just here to bash on Bayonetta [Just here to pick a fight]. ^_^ (and that’s cool, lol)
If you want to go ahead and see the complete fight just replace the ベヨネッタ その4
with a ベヨネッタ その5, don’t worry there’ more boss battles, even bigger and more epic!, which is hard to believe really…
Happy Bashing! just kidding.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 5:20 am
god of war III = old skool FAIL
I find god of war pretty damn boring with it’s overly simplistic old skool gameplay… sriously overrated game
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 5:20 am
old skool FAIL? more like you don’t have a PS3 and you can’t play it
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 6:31 am
Richard, that boss battle sucks man:/
I hate big boss fights, the big boss fights in DMC4 were actually good like Berial.
But I don’t like this one, you have to evade a lot, feels like the Saviour in DMC4:/
But gamers don’t know sh* about hack n slash so they say God Of War is king.
Bayonetta is the true form of all hack n slash: combos and moves that is all!
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 6:54 am
i finish bayonetta in my japanese xbox 360 .this game is good but not perfect.i dont know why people admire this game so much .in comparision with god of war 3 its a bulshit.the story is so lame graphic is horrible compare to uncharted 2 and god of war
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 8:01 am
honestly how can you compare GOW to bayonetta?
or ninja gaiden to bayonetta?
there completley different games.
while your at it you might as well compare GT5 to burnout paradise since they both have cars.
or halo to wet since they both have guns.
GOW is a much slower game compared to bayonetta.
bayonetta is a button masher, you can just keep swinging at your enemies no blocking required.
try that in GOW and you will get your ass handed to you on a silver platter.
when it comes to sword fighting games in general ninja gaiden 2 is my favorite.
its nail biting hard, forcing you to learn the combos, counter attacks are imperial and dodging is very important.
bayonetta does none of that.
bayonetta you can just go in guns blazing as they would say no technique or strategy. but, especially with ninja gaiden you cant do that.
unless you want to die a million times on the first level alone.
and this is based off playing the WHOLE game not just some 5 minute demo.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 8:14 am
obviously this guy above me didnt play bayonetta…first off if there is no block so duh u cant do one…but u DO need to doge! also which time is the shit! how can u compare gow and bayonetta? easily there both ACTION GAMES dip stick! just cause bayonetta is faster paced than gow is a testement to how bad shit awesome and crazy the combat is..and you do have to get the feel for things…first demo ive EVER lost at on my first time through. thing is im a huge gow fan…got that 100 pre order already in. however kratos only fights hordes of enemies…that arent to particulary challengeing to him…yeah he’s powerful but only a few people here and there can really challenge him….bayonetta on the other hand gives u a powerful as fuck character then also gives u emnimes that would hand you ur ass if you lose to them…..oh boy fighting against skelletons to make it to that one bad ass in the area…or fighting tons of giant angles then gettting to a screen tearing guy…who isnt even a real boss justa warm up…thats awesome. gamers gotta be willing to see that gow isnt the only game out there that will blow are minds.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 8:54 am
some people are so narrow mainded they are almost completely and blindly driven by their rigid opinions. articles like these pushes the developers toward improvement. hey pseudo-gamers, does it turn your lives upside down if one game rightfully proved better than the other? mature a little, if you’re not up to the discussion and unable to come with constructive thoughts then don’t impose. nice reading, thanks.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 9:05 am
a agree with the guy above …and check out that guys link to youtube weather you like the game or not….thats what an action game is all about right there..hell im tired of third person shooters and platinum studios((formally clover) has put out some amaxing freaking games and deserved the hype….perfect famatsu score ladies and gents ..they dont just give those away. and while scores arent the end all be all. atleast they tell us what were working with and this game is gonna own…i only feel worried for darskiders….(Same day release) two major action adventure games…..jan first will be my Christmas haha
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 9:11 am
People are really immatrue here are they not?
Like MWH said before me I’m going to try to make something clear here.
Bayonetta still has the deepest, most intuitive, best flowing combat system on the market. That combined with an abnormal amount of style and graphical power and you know your looking at a champ. Now, the God of War games have always been fun to a certain degree. This was all because of the extremely well crafted area’s and the fact that the camera showed you all the amazing sights. The combat was shallow compared to Bayonetta, and any idiot stating otherwise is truly… an idiot. GOW III is going to be a lot of fun, and a graphical monster. Graphically it’s going to top Bayonetta, but on every other area it’s inferior.
Greetings,
The Mya
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Ok. You cant put all action games in one bag and just compare them.
while i think bayonetta is a good game, it basically a button masher. you have to compare it to another button masher. thats the reason people compare Darksiders and Dantes Inferno to GOW. am not saying it isnt more fun, more/less challenging, am just saying youre bases for compaing them are wrong. You cant compare Final Fantasy to Borderlands, can you? Even though one is faster paced, more action oriented that the other.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 11:02 am
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Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
@bowserone
so you can compare GT5 and burnout paradise since there both racing games?
you can compare gears 2 to killzone 2 since their both shooters?
you can compare little big planet and crackdown because there both platformers?
you can compare tomb raider and little big planet because there both platformers.
you can compare ratchet and clank to prototype because there both platformers?
you can compare WET and gears 2 because there both shooters?
i could go on for days.
just because a game is in the same genre to another does not mean you can compare them.
like darksiders, you cant compare that to GOW because that has a more RPG feel to it.
same goes for bayonetta and ninja gaiden or DMC.
you can compare DMC to bayonetta because they feel and play exactly the same, but you cant compare bayonetta to ninja gaiden because they feel and play exactly the same.
you cant compare apples to oranges just because their both a fruit.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
“Matt Said,
ok, to anyone who said GOW is a button masher
play it on the hardest mode, you will get raped in seconds if you try that
you need to be fast and smart to live”
Try DMC on normal mode. You will get raped faster.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Please the combat in bayonetta is still just button mashing for most people. Some people who play god of war button mash while others learn all of kratos moves. Same goes for bayonetta, i just dont like the presentation of the game either. Maybe im just not a big anime fan and the whole game reminds of some sailor moon rip off lol. Its the most girly game ever and im really surprised at all these so called men praising the game over god of war. I mean what happened, did your balls drop off. Bayonetta, what a joke.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
While I respect every comment in this thread, people who dub these kinds of games: gay, boring and stale are just kidding themselves. Why bash on other games you have not even finished? Bayonetta Demo is just a little taste of the game, it does not even compare to the whole experience.
Once again: I love GOW, I will get it and have fun, but better graphics just does not make a game revolutionary, GOWIII feels almost the same as part I and II, and thats not bad cause’ its a heck of a formula, but Bayonetta innovates where Ninja Gaiden 2 and GOWIII just did not take it to the next level, or raise the bar for that matter. They went safe, steady or whatever you wanna call it.
You cannot compare games, each is unique, labels are stupid. But one thing is for sure DMC raised the bar on Action Games and its been like 8 or 9 years since anyone changed the formula, thats just the plain old truth man.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
okay name…lil big planet and crackdown obviously will be played by two very diffrent types of audiance….but its more than fair to say the people who will play gow will also be playing bayonetta and vise versa……what does it have to be exactly the same game b4 you will allowy a comparison in your world? thats like those people saying u cant compare gta 4 and saints row 2 cuz gta 4 went for a serious tone while saints was just trying to be silly….and yes you can compare something when it fits into a same catagory….other media outlets that have played the full game have already been said to have been blown away by it….stop the hate and be a real gamer and check it out…bet youll be kicking yourself for not defending a contender for goy 2010
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Good games must have different formulas in order to be good otherwise they are just clones of one of another. I have not played enough DMC to comment on it. I played a little bit of DMC1 and didn’t finish it; I played a little more of DMC 4 but didn’t make it to Dante’s half. I have however, played a lot of GOW 1 & 2 and I’ve played a lot of Ninja Gaiden Black/Sigma/2, at high levels. I did play the Bayonetta Demo as well.
I judge a game by asking what does this game want to be and how good is it at being that. Ninja Gaiden wants you to be very skilled in order to beat it. It succeeds with flying colors. God of War wants to re-tell Greek mythology so that Kratos, not Aries, is the rightful God of War, it succeeds with flying colors. Bayonetta wants you to believe that Bayonetta is hot, and she is hot in a run-way fashion model type of way.
You can tell that there are a lot of combos in Bayonetta. However I agree that there are so many combos that you can mash you through the game, or at least through the demo. I’ve beaten the demo 2 or 3 times and I only know the combo that make her stomp down with the giant stiletto heel. I think its punch, punch, kick, kick. By the way, that move is not in the game by accident, nor is it is coincidence that that is the only combo I know. High-heeled shoes (on a woman) are hot.
While I probably will buy Bayonetta. It appears that it will be worse than God of War at telling a story and worse than Ninja Gaiden at producing fast and precise combat. But I suspect that Bayonetta doesn’t want to do either.
It looks like Bayonetta wants to use sex to sell. Bayonetta is always switching and licking loli-pops even in fights. There is a place for that, young men like a little bit of fan-service. Nor do they mind looking at women who have a physique so Ideal that it is impossible. Although when the girlfriend asks if you or other men like games like this, that is woman-speak for,……….. “I can never look as perfect as the cartoon-woman in that video game, neither can any other woman for that matter. Please tell me that you can see through that fantasy and prefer a real woman”…………….. If the character Bayonetta was a man and not a woman, she would never say anything.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
a game has to play and feel the same to be compared.
like infamous and prototype.
or prototype and crackdown.
or bayonetta and devil may cry 4.
the combat in god of war is completley different to the combat in bayonetta.
both use swords, both have magic BUT the speed of the game, the feel of the game is completley different.
im not saying bayonetta is a bad game, its not, its better than DMC4 and that was my favorite game of 08.
but what edge said is a load of utter CRAP! bayonetta in no way, shape, or form has better combat than GOW.
you cant compare the 2.
and even if you could GOW is still much much much more fun.
as i said before GOW attacks are widespread wreaking havoc in large areas to many enemies, bayonetta is much more fast paced and focused on 1 enemy.
GOW is like surgery with a chainsaw.
bayonetta is like surgery with a scalpel.
and ninja gaiden is like surgery with a high precision laser.
completley different games.
Posted on December 8th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
he meant the enjoyment of gameplay guys.bayonetta gameplay style is much more fun than god of war style.
Posted on February 3rd, 2010 at 1:08 pm
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